Why is the Left so afraid of having people prove who they actually are?
Minnesota is the number 1 state in prosecutions of voter fraud.
Has anyone counted just how many people eligible to vote who do not have a valid Id??
ANd how can anyone get along in today's world without a valid Id?????

@ mike. Woot Woot!

Acorns don't fall far from the tree. We need I.D. to check out a library book, get cable T.V., open a checking account, use a pawn shop, prove your age on the bus, in a liquor store, or to buy cigarettes and some cold medicines or collect a jackpot at Mystic Lake Casino. In Mn if someone declares that they are unable to pay for a state ID one will still be issued to you or a charity will pay for it. When I did volunteer work at the Basillica, they often paid for the homeless to get a needed ID card, What's the big problem? You're supposed to show ID when you use an EBT card, if requested. As many names as Ellison has used, eight that I know of, it might help him to remember who he is today. Let's keep those jail bookings straight.

We all know that Keith Ellisons Illegal’s would not be able to cast their vote and some of his constituents would not be able to register at several different polling places.

Students in college and seniors in nursing homes without current driver's licenses are two large groups that would be disenfranchised by new voter ID legislation. IF you're not in one of these groups, or don't have a child or grandchild that it applies to, or if you don't have a parent or grandparent that it applies to, you probably don't give a hoot cuz it's the "other people" that would be affected, and who cares if it's not something that's going to infringe on my rights in right now time?

All adults should have an ID for many reasons. I don't want to disenfranchise anyone, but come on. Everyone needs an ID. Old folks living in a home, I can see that, but wouldn't they vote w/ an absentee ballot or something like that anyway? Don't they have a state issued ID for insurance purposes? People need ID's for everything now days, voting should require one too.

I surrendered my drivers license due to health issues and was offered a free Mn. state I.D. if I was in financial need. One way to overcome an issue for seniors, particularly those who no longer drive or who have moved, is to accept expired I.D.s as being valid for voting. Don't require renewal after an agreed upon age, for example sixty-two. Have the UofM use state ID's specially designated to act as a dual state and student I.D. other schools could do the same. If limitations or restrictions can be listed on a DL, so could these exceptions.

Let's not forget that in a close election, a small amount of voter fraud can be the deciding factor. Citizenship or immigration staus should be listed on IDs and DLs.

Currently, if you have a ID or DL and you moved from your area where you were registered to vote, and have to vote at another location - you have to bring a utility bill that shows you pay bills at that address. And, you have to have a neighbor vouch for you as well.

If you register to vote, you usually do so on your tax returns, or another official form that is usually pretty sure you live at that address. When you go into the vote, you tell them your name and you have to be on that form, or again - bring ID, and the other info I listed above. The person usually asks me other information as well. In order to have fraud, you would have to actually know the name of the person in that district that had not voted yet, but was registered. If you go and register on the same day that you vote - you still have to show ID.

Non-citizens are being offered the opportunity to vote when they renew their DLs. I know this for a fact due to misdelivered mail, that came to me. People who don't have a good command of English can't be expected to know our laws or read disclosures on forms accurately. My neighbors did not vote, but they would have if I had not alerted them. I can't say how often this happens, nor can I say these three are isolated instances. Immigration and citizenship status should be on IDs and DLs. We can have social benefit packages voted into law by beneficiaries who have no right to vote. We already live in a community that disregards immigration laws, and the citizens and legal immigrants pick up the cost for education and health care for many of these folks. If we already ignore the enforcement of one law that some disagree with, where is the line to be drawn? I personally want those who have found their way here less than legally, if they are gainfully employed to be able to stay legally. I also want border security and enforcement. The issue is about voter IDs, and LEGITIMATE ELECTIONS.

Let's see some evidence that there is a problem with illegal voting. In reading the comments from those in favor of requiring a photo id to vote it seems clear they have absolutely no data showing that fraudulent voting is a problem either nationally or here in Minnesota. The only instance of illegal voting in the last election in Minnesota that I'm aware of was that of a convicted felon (native born, by the way) who was unaware that it was illegal for him to vote. And, by the way, he had all necessary id including a current Minnesota driver's license. In reading these comments, and having even a rudimentary understanding of the composition of that protion of our electorate that actually do vote, and looking at who is crafting these laws nationally, namely ALEC, and who funds ALEC, namely the brothers Koch and thier ilk, it is clear that the real Teapublican agenda is not to protect the integrity of the vote, but to supress the vote - to disenfranchise the poor and the elderly and students, citizens who normally vote for Democrats and who are less likely to have a photo ID. And spare us your racial and religious bigotry.

Brie and John, You can go to renew your DL at the York Ave Corthouse and you will be asked if you want to register to vote or become an organ donor. Both are good reminders. The fact is we have a significant amount of legal immigrants who are not familiar with our election laws. Several years ago the plan was to get an Iowa DL and then turn it in for a Mn DL. There are a number of states that allow illegals to get DLs, legally or through sloppy practice. Again in a close election a small number can be decisive. Progressives don't mind spending money wastefully on anything, but draw the line at Voter ID Laws. Why is that?

Do Liberal Progressives always have an answer before they know the question or the facts? Would they let a change of facts alter their opinions? Is this the beginning of National Socialism in the U.S.A.? Miseducation of the young is a form of child abuse.

Presenting an ID card to vote doesn't intimidate or disenfranchise anyone so long as ID cards are issued for free. Our votes control trillions of dollars and such all of us should want the integrity of our electoral system protected.

Ellison's introduction of this bill is merely a way to solve a problem by making a bigger problem. The problem that should be solved is the 20 percent unemployment amongst blacks, his voter ID doesn't solve that problem. It serves to drive a wedge between us when we should all be working together.

We can do a lot when we Come Together and that's why I am running for Congress

Thank you for your military service. The smoke screen and wedges are the Republicans in Congress and state legislatures that are proposing every kind of social issue but jobs creation. These don't bring us together. The Republicans welcomed with open arms the Dixiecrat segregationists like Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond and Lester Maddox and created the Southern "red" states. Dick Nixon purposely used these issues to split the progressive movement. They have no interest in bringing anyone together except for fear based votes. Why not focus on jobs instead of voter id and gay marriage like your Republican friends in the Minnesota legislature? Why play games with the debt ceiling and national motto like you Republican friends in Congress. Why not spend money on rebuilding infrastructure instead of unemployment and public assistance. Do you not remember the 35W bridge? Construction workers and the vendors that support construction support families and local businesses to expand the economy and jobs. The Koch brothers, Dick Army and the other wealth behind the Republicans and Tea Party have no concerns about unemployed blacks or anyone else. They are only concerned about their rights to continue looting and polluting.

Mike, you obviously have access to a computer, so look up how Iran got its' name. While you're at it read and think about "The Hadith" and "Milestones" by Sayyid Qutb. In these two books along with the Koran you'll develop a better image of the "Congresssman from CAIR" and his friends in Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. You have to read, to develop your creed. If you don't think, your ideas start to stink. God gave you two eyes, two ears, and one mouth. Does this mean you should listen and watch 80% of the time, ask questions 10% of the time, and 10% of the time offer your opinion in a humble manner, hoping for correction? It's just a thought.

Congressman Keith Ellison was elected to Congress by the voters of Minnesota's Fifth Congressional District, of which I am one. We are his constituents. While Kevin can claim, using his freedom of expression provided by the Constitution of these United States of America, that MN5 Congressman represents any organization or book of Kevin's choice, that "don't make it so!" Kevin has freedom to recommend any book of his choosing for anyone else to read, but no one has any obligation to accept Kevin's recommendations. Those of us that know our Congressman Keith Ellison from our frequent contacts with him and his staff have little need to "get a better image" of our Congressman from reading books about organizations that Kevin might think he is affiliated with. Kevin appears to be applying the broad brush of generalized assumptions, and I don't know where he derives the basis for that. Maybe he's an alien from an alternate universe?

Since tomorrow is Veterans Day, I would like to remind you Minnesotans that we have five homes for veterans operated by the State of Minnesota. The one in Silver Bay in northern Minnesota, for example, is located 20 miles or more from a County Service Center that issues ID cards. So here is the challenge to those of you that say requiring ID cards to vote is a good thing: Go to Silver Bay in a wheelchair with an oxygen tank. Then get yourself a ride to the nearest County service center to get a new ID card. Then tell yourself that your fellow Americans really appreciate your service to our country. Then, be sure to have a nice day, even if you've lost your legs because of war injuries or disease like diabetes, and even if you need to take an oxygen tank with you because of bronchitis or pneumonia, or other lung conditions, and even if you have to hurry back for your daily dialysis because of kidney disease.

I have a question for those of you that think Minnesota needs more "election integrity." What tax increase are you willing to pay in order to achieve "greater integrity?" Does anyone live in a district that has seat belts in the public school buses? Most school buses do not have seat belts, and the reason is apparently that they are not considered "cost effective." So what does it say about us as a culture if we don't want to fund a safety device that might save the lives of our children, grandchildren, or neighbors?

So Kevin who is your congressmen or congresswoman or candidate you support in your congressional district?

Nancy, is Ellison associated with the anti-American organizations I have listed? You are not about to let the facts get in your way, are you? You seem to see the best of intentions in Progressive candidates and platforms, apparently blindly. Your blind allegiance, and unquestioning faith is not considered acceptable within most religions, other than Islam, where it is required. I never saw a parallel between an ardent Progressive and an Islamist until now, thanks for the insight. Vet to Vet, Have a good Veterans Day.

Is it prudent to have a Congressman with Ellison's associations be given national security information ? Is it prudent to have a big spending Progressive, during a recession, continue to drive the country into deeper deficits? I used to be a Democrat. I believe in examining my thoughts, to remain open to correction, change, and improvement. If you think Ellison's associations are unimportant, would you feel the same if he were white and associated with the KKK, was active in the John Birch Society, or some White Supremacist group. I think it is time to look at Chris Fields as Ellison's possible replacement.

Kevin won't tell us who he will be able to vote for because he won't admit that he is not from the Minnesota Fifth Congressional District. P.S. I have not noticed any blind allegiance and unquestioning faith in Nancy, that is usually reserved for religious conservatives and Michelle Bachmann supporters.

Kevin's fabricated "facts" do not interfere with my judgement. I possess and use the ability to research my candidates for elected office. I have no idea what Kevin smokes or reads to make him think that any incumbent member of the United States Congress may be associated with "anti-American" organizations. I believe in separation of church and state, and my religion is based on faith! And Kevin, if you're going to open mail addressed to someone else, even if the address is the same as yours, isn't that a federal offense?

Congressmen Ellison got his security clearance from the Bush Administration. President George Bush asked Congressman Ellison to act as a goodwill ambassador to the Middle East. President Bush must not have cared about security either. So that is why you won't indicate who your congressman is from, you are working in a secret location?

Thanks Kevin, for your informed advice to consider Chris Fields as a replacement for the incumbent Congressman in MN5. I checked out his website and learned that he was one of 3 children that grew up in the Bronx with a single mother. Excellent qualifications for Congress! "After 21 years of service and sacrifice as a United States Marine I stand prepared to lead the effort that will deliver change to our community and bring real solutions for real people."

"I will provide the leadership required to help create jobs and put Americans back to work. I will always put the people first over any political party."

My 'blind allegiance' has me itching to liquidate my life savings and invest in his campaign.

The above quotes, along with a request for donations to his campaign, constitute the "platform" on which Chris Fields is running for the United States Congress.

I look forward to the day when he debates the incumbent! Perhaps that will reveal his positions and knowledge on domestic and foreign policy.

Deb, not sure when you did this fundraising, but repeating and updating records only mean they were put on those lists again, not necessarily mean they had voted. Perhaps your list had some of those problems too. A call to the Secretary of State would have helped you with that.

No Amy. Let me repeat myself. We worked off of the official Secretary of State voter lists. The lists noted who the voter was, what elections they voted in, both primary and general, what their DOB was, address and phone number.... and signature. The lists were from all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The "dead" voters were voting after their death in every state, not all of the dearly departed, but enough of them to raise a concern. Someone went to the polling place, stated they were someone they weren't, signed the name of the voter, and voted. Hence, voter fraud.
Problems with the lists in every state? Updated incorrectly or automatically in every state? Dead voters put on the lists automatically? Explain the signature and the voting record.

I watched the whole court battle between Franken and Coleman. There was not any fraud going on. There was much people did not understand unless they watch in court, and many did. Much was explained in the process of databases, procedures that were processed. For those who do not understand how a person can be merged, who is no long living into a database that is being updated, it is pretty easy. All fields are fixed for each voting election for the people in that district(s). When up dating the list of people who are no longer living, with that list - a lot can go wrong and it does happen. If you have any background with doing this procedure, you know it can. But, it doesn't mean that people actually know who it is that is on that list and who did not by accident. During the Coleman vs Franken court battle - many of those ballots, of which were in concern were gone through. People from each party where allowed to go thru those ballots and send in the ones that they had any doubt for any reason. Pretty simple to see. The only way to see if dead people really did vote, which no one really can show, as if they left a signature on the day they voted.
And, some of the people that were claimed to be dead, where actually live people. So, the "dead list" did not help in matters of getting accurate records either.

There you have it. See how hard it would be to know who is on those lists and as well who has passed away in order to have the kind of fraud you are suggesting?

Nancy, Why would you call my facts "fabricated" without any proof? Voter registration cards come in the mail as postcards. You don't have to open them. Non-citizens are not necessarily illegal immigrants.They can be legal residents. If it matters, I vote in District 5, and live in beautiful Richfield. Why is it that so often when Libs are confronted, they respond by asserting their self ascribed intellectual superiority? Nobody ses things correctly , or understands things as completely as they do? Why is it they often use the Star Tribune ,MPR, or television programs as unimpeachable sources? Is it true that the Mn Gophers are called "Golden" because they are among the top four most expensive state university systems in the country? Congratulations to the Vikes for leading the NFL in arrests. Additional stadium revenue could come from Vikes handcuffs or signed jail uniforms.

Amy, One illegal vote can determine an outcome in an election. If you have read about ACORN you would know that there doubts about the integrity of elections and voter registrations nationally. You keep referring to people being disenfranchised and refuse to acknowledge that there are solutions to those concerns. What is your solution to erase the doubts about fraud within the electoral process? A lot of energy is being spent to deny a problem exists, or might exist. A citizen should have confidence in the electoral process, and its results. One of the perceived problems is this lack of confidence. Photo I.D. is necessary to restore that confidence, but it is only one component of a process to insure free and fair elections. You yourself admit that with the current process that a lot can go wrong. Shouldn't we try to do better? If not, why not? We are not trying to eliminate voting rights, but to preserve them. A Conservative's role is twofold, to preserve and improve. It is not to destroy or ignore, and recreate. Conservatives build on good historical precedence, not on ethereal dreams. They are grounded in reality, with solid foundations. Do we really need "everyone" to do some wrong before we concede that a problem exist? One sure way to destroy elections, is for citizens to doubt the integrity of the results.

Kevin, misinformation certainly is the real problem here. It is not that people are refusing to look at problems. If you disenfranchise too many votes by not thinking about what you are doing, then it does create a larger problem then a small amount of fraud. In fact, by doing so it is almost fraud in itself.

I've never used data bases from Secretary of State voter files for fund raising, but any data base I've ever worked with was subject to errors. I guess that's why we have the phrase "Garbage In, Garbage Out" relating to data bases. I do believe that the recent recounts in Minnesota have put the microscope on the voting process, so officials have learned where the trouble spots were, and taken action to correct that. I will not comment on voting or data in any other state, since I vote in Minnesota

Doesn't any process with humans involved have potential for fraud? Everytime I use my credit card, isn't there potential for someone handling it to fraudulently copy the numbers? The financial industry could probably minimize this potential by making changes to their process. Of course, those changes could increase costs, which could be passed on to the customer. So am I willing to pay an annual fee or higher user fee to achieve lower potential for fraud? Probably not. I accept the potential when I use the card in exchange for the convenience of not needing to carry large amours of cash. The voting process could likewise minimize potential for fraud by making changes. So the issue can be what we are willing to invest to achieve improvement. If Minnesota election integrity can be improved from 99.97 percent reliability to 99.98 percent reliability by spending 8.7 Million dollars, do we cut funding to education or transportation in order to achieve this increased reliability?

There is no voter fraud problem. Radical Teapublicans simply want to suppress the vote of the elderly, the poor, students - those groups who typically vote Democrat. Teapublican leaders will tell you that low voter turnout benefits conservative candidates. I challenge O'Donovan to name one instance of voter fraud in Minnesota that was tied to the lack of a photo I. D. as proposed in this new law or to the use of a fake I. D.The fact is, there isn't one. The facts are that if this passes fewer elderly will be able to vote. Fewer of those in nursing homes will be able to vote. Fewer poor will be able to vote. Fewer students will be able to vote. They will either not have the money or the time to go through the roadblocks or they will be too sick or lack the physical mobility or transportation to go through the process. If O'Donovan and his ilk were concerned about voting, they would be working to increase voter turnout rather than trying to suppress it.

The company I worked for is a Nationally Registered Professional Fundraiser whose clients include candidates, state parties, national organizations, universities and non-profit associations. The voter outreach services provided are GOTV initatives, recorded candidate messages, *****VOTER ID***** and voter persuation. They deliver results by building donor bases, raising campaign funds and activatin local volunteers. Their fundraising record of success goes back to 1976. This was not a boiler room operation but rather a professional company. I highlighted the VOTER ID service because we were hired to update voter lists for states and state parties because we did efficiently, professionally and accurately. When we found inconsistancies, the Secretaries of States and state party chairpersons were alerted to our results. They then used our results to update the voter rolls using SSI Administrations Death Master File and removed the names, even though the dead voters had voted in recent elections after their deaths and SIGNED THEIR NAME.

Dead people voting is a type of election fraud that occurs when the name of a deceased person remains on a state's official list of registered voters and a living person fraudulently casts a ballot in that name. It has been done, it continues to be done and will be done in the future. New York state, 2006: 2600 votes cast from the grave.Caifornia 2008: 232 people voted after their death, some more than once, 152 in Alameda county alone. Harris County, Texas: Instances of dead voters’ names being used to cast ballots were most frequent in three elections, the November 2004 general election, the November 2006 general election and the March 2008 Democratic primary. Melvin Porter, although he died in January 2007, cast a vote in the March 4, 2008 Democratic primary in Dallas County. Duchess, NY: David S. Stairs Sr. is buried in Fairview Cemetery in Beacon. Stairs died in 1998, but his last recorded vote was in 2002. And one of the more well known cases of Dead People Voting was noted in Bill Kennedy's book, "Oh Albany". The dead folks interred in Graceland Cemetery have voted in every election--far more faithfully than the living folks!

Final Note: Stating an "untruth" to get off the phone with someone you don't want to talk to is not a very good idea. It's a waste of your time, the caller's time and the clients $$$. True story from the afore mentioned company I worked for:
One of my co-workers called a female resident of Cleveland, OH, who stated she couldn't talk because she was laying on the floor, sick.... because she had just swallowed a bottle of pills. Management was alerted and rather than take the 50/50 chance is was untrue, they located and called local law enforcement, who took the statement as true. Since we were able to provide name, address and phone number they sent the police & parimedics to her door. Of course, she didn't really swallow a bottle of pills, she was just fine, but you can be sure the next time she was called by anyone she didn't want to talk to, she handled it in a more mature and respectfull manner... like just hang up.

Oh Deb, now you are making this bigger and bigger. No one likes those phone calls.
LOL

ACORN has been convicted or plead guilty to voter and registration fraud in Calif.,N.Y.,Wisc, La,.Nev. Wa. and is still under investigation, along with allied groups, in a number of states. None are so blind as those who refuse to see. Now that you have examples of voter fraud, please come with specific examples of disenfranchisement, and not easily overcome possibilities. One vote can determine the outcome in any given election. Photo ID reduces fraud in elections.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2792795/posts

Here,

Not exactly unbiased sources those.

So, Charlie, even though the report you mention is simply a survey constructed by a biased right wing group of what they contend are incidents of voter fraud, but which elected county attorneys, both conservative and liberal give no credence to, it talks only about voting by supposed ineligible convicted felons. There is nothing in it to even suggest that the voter ID amendment would have any impact on a person who is ineligible to vote because of a felony conviction. In the cases cited these people were ignorant of the fact that they couldn't vote. Where is your data that supports any need for a voter ID program? You have none, because there is none. Voter ID is a radical voter suppression proposal schemed up by the right wing to limit the vote by the elderly, the sick, the young, the poor, and communities of color. It is simply more classicism, racism, and bigotry from the radical right and has no place in our democracy.

The disenfranchised in indiana included students with drivers license from a state different from the one they attend college in, and retired nuns (Catholic Sisters) who no longer had valid drivers licenses. Ironically, the Nuns were turned away from their polling place by one of their own Sisters, who of course knew they were who they said they were, but would not allow them to vote because she followed the training for election judges in the State of Indiana.

So it appears this ID issue might disenfranchise some voters who may be assumed to have a tendency to vote for candidates that are pro-life. And perhaps also follow the recommendations of the Roman Catholic Church on issues of marriage restrictions.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/05/06/36034/with-no-photo-ids-nuns-denied.html

@ john, ignorant? Really.... That's laughable. What about the dead voters, were they ignorant too?

Nancy, due to the work I did I had valid drivers licenses in several states simultaneously, due to insurance requirements. I don't know of any reason a student couldn't have a state I.D. along with a D.L. Voter I.D. laws are not about trying to shape the vote, but simply to validate the voter's eligibility, and certify their identification. I used my Florida address on my Ca.,Az., and Oregon licenses simultaneously. Each state knew what I was doing, and why.John, Have you ever noticed when Progressives run out of logical arguments they often scream about racism being the basis of a differing opinion. What do you call two black people with opposing opinions? Since Thurgood Marshall and Clarence Thomas offer differing opinions on the same subject, how would you determine which was the racist? If the answer was the person who determined a judgement based solely on race, wouldn't Justice Marshall be the racist? That would be a tough pill to swallow.

Please explain the work you did and the insurance requirements to have multiple driver's licenses?

Charlie - Charlie who?. The rest of us give our full names. What's yours? And yes, the felons who voted in Minnesota were ignorant of the fact that they couldn't.

I suggest you go back and read, they were not ignorant of the fact! What about the dead voters John? Topical liberal defence is to toss the race / poor card in, thinking that they too not unlike the felon voters are to ignorant to figure out how to get a ID.

So Charlie who is your Representative?

For Charlie and for those others who are interested in facts and an unbiased consideration of the issue of possible voter fraud in Minnesota and voter ID, I recommend http://ceimn.org/ - Citizens for Election Integrity - and a report available from them: http://ceimn.org/files/Facts%20about%20Ineligible%20Voting%20and%20Voter%20Fraud%20in%20Minnesota_with%20appendix.pdf

http://www.minnesotamajority.org/TheIssues/ElectionIntegrity/tabid/188/Default.aspx

Not exactly an unbiased source. They use the usual right wing smoke screen issues: guns, gays, God, gynecology and government to get your votes. Follow the money. Once they have your votes and power they quickly forget about the little people who voted for them. Who made money on the housing bubble and stock market collapse? They did on the up and down side wit tricks and privileges not available to you and me. Do you really believe that Dick Chaney, Dick Army and the Koch Brothers (net worth $25 billion each) actually care about any of these issues? They have everything they need except more power. Before Roe v. Wade they sent their women to Switzerland for abortions. Hint: They wouldn't let you use their servants' bathroom. Their main goal is to deregulate so the wealthy can loot and pollute! They never have to live next to their factories.

@ Amy, its is an issue! Will always be an issue. You want to down play it and thats fine, you have noted the vague court trial between the comedian and norm however a lot of the voter fraud facts became available after that time and are still making themselves known as each day passes.

@ Mike 2, my rep (why it matters I have no idea) is Keith X. Housing bubble? Really... Who made the the bill in 95 and 99. It wasn't banks. As far as the "right wing smoke screens" I guess we could all put white caps on with ropes over our shoulders and bats kind of like the black panther did! If you want a pitty party start a new topic. You don't have to live next to "their" factories either! Take GE who shipped everything out to China or Taiwan for them to pollute.

@ John, you've heard of welfare fraud right? While I do applaud your link its government who got us into and continues to keep us in this mess. If they can't figure out who's dead, should vote because of mental disability, felon, illegal what makes you think they can provide a unbiased paper on the matter. Remember every vote counts, Bush in FL, the judges in wi.... Voter fraud, intimidation, errors run abound.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DF5yPyXJezrc&v=F5yPyXJezrc&gl=US

Also Mike, the link Deb C provided (if you read it) is a fun read. Ponder this, while you state there was no vote fraud except the poor unfortunate felons who did not understand they couldn't vote. Her link may have thousands of issues. What if 10% are credible, out of that 10% half goto the Dems the other half goto the GOP. Being that the comedian was elected by what <300 votes wouldn't you like to make sure the right people get in every time? Is I'D the answer, maybe not. It's sure better than what's going on now.

Government benefits are paid for by taxpayers. Non-taxpayers are voting themselves a raise when they vote for the "Congressman from CAIR" and any Dem. The same is true for unionized government workers, and any able bodied person who won't get a job, while drawing unemployment benefits that they want extended. Let's not forget the single mothers who want the state to pay them for the consequences of their lack of discipline, and now want free daycare masked as early education. Ellison and his ilk refuse to recognize that there is not enough money in the world to buy the power they wish to purchase. They create programs that insure unemployment and then give the victims of their regulatory excesses a stipend. What a racket! They shouldn't be asking for your vote. They should be asking a judge for bail.

It doesn't matter what anyone tells you, you are going to believe and find twisted information to support those belief's. You just don't get this isn't a competition. I wouldn't know about the information if I didn't pursue it myself, along with others. You can't take information that incomplete or twisted to make arguments. If there was this much fraud in reality, I would have pushed for something harder myself - but it wouldn't be this ID rule as it is. Deb's link is only a political one, meant to twist information because that is what those links are for really. Not "unbiased" is reality. If you want unbiased information you have to look for it, participate in the actually doing the real due diligence. You seem more concerned with not doing this. In the meantime, what are you doing to help those people that could find it much more difficult to vote? Are you spreading sound information, and looking into ways to volunteer to help insure they are not disenfranchised?

Furthermore, it is very evident that your only intent here is to believe what you want to, and then spread that misinformation a long. Charlie, all of what you have tried to comment about, has already been discussed with some good information for you to check. Kevin, your other comments don't have much to do with the topic, and responding to all your "other" subjects would take another post. I see your attempts as not discussing the topic, but to force other ideologies into discussion.

Charlie, Good for you to spread the truth. Isn't it odd how truth can be dismissed as irrelevant because it doesn't fit the argument the Lib/Progressives (or whatever they call themselves today) are trying to sell? The other tactic is a call for people to work together, and call those who disagree with them as being divisive. The issue is what divides us. You can find people of good will on both sides, but only one idea can be correct. Secular,atheistic humanism is being paired with a soft totalitarianism and being sugar coated by the Dems. Is there anything that they feel is beyond their right to regulate? You have to beware of the ongoing assault on Constitutional governance and the Bill of Rights. Ellison is one of the violators. Voter I.D. is a line of defense.

Yes Kevin, I love how Amy ASSuMES what research I've done while at the same time dismissing facts and history.

Competition? Not sure where I said "I win". You don't see Amy getting on Mike about topics like the housing bubble or john about who my congressmen is, or my last name for that matter. It's the Dems classic "watch this hand while the other is ripping you off" ploy.

Ok, must unfollow this discussion. The rhetoric and circular thinking is overwhelming.

Amen.

John, what's Emily's last name? Did you ask her who she was? Did you ask her who her congressmen was?

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"highly unlikely" is not an answer!

Emily B. ? Like you, she should identify herself. It's a matter of courtesy, even though it's not required, as far as I know, by the website owners. As to who her representatives are, that to would be nice to know. As would yours. And I would hope that both of you find you are able and willing to disclose that information. Having said that, the original issue seems to have been exhausted, so unless and until you have something fresh and relevant to the matter of voter ID to offer, it's a waste of time.

So John! You.... Want us to identify our self on a web site which has no way of proving what we say anyway yet you're against voter ID?

Relevant; so you're saying before posting we should state NAME, SS, BD, LOCATION, REPRESENTATIVE. Ok, I don't recall seeing your info anywhere. As far as waste of time, you having provided so much proof to the topic I was blinded. The fact that the truth is still to this day being caught and uncovered.

John, when you show proof of who you are (like I care) I will put my info on there as well. Just because someone puts any name first or last on here doesn't make it gospel.

Amy stating that the dead voter issue had been discussed is true, however it is not resolved nor proven that it did not happen just because she said it was "not likely".

Ok. I live in Fridley. You can look up my address and phone number if you wish. They are public. My representative is Ellison. And I take ownership of what I write.

I said proof! You do know what thats means right?

1. evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true,or to produce belief in its truth. 2. anything serving as such evidence:

If I said my name is Charlie Anderson, I live in mpls and Keith X is my rep. Look me up, does it make it true? No, it doesn't. I don't care who you are, or your rep is for that matter. I doubt John is or legal name anyway!

Also, you've asked or stated you wanted to know who my rep was.... Proving! You don't read what is typed.

When you attempt to engage in a polite and rational discussion with those of the Right you always conclude all they want is to poison the atmosphere. It's sad,but it's today's reality. It's not the political world Minnesota wants, but evidently it's the one we are doomed to have for a while at least. It's what you get when you get a segment of society taken up with fear and ignorance. What will the grandchildren of the Right think of them if Charlie and his ilk prevail? Their inheritance will certainly be a diminished tomorrow. It's sad indeed.

Yes John, you're wasting space now. Did you find out who my rep is? Polite and rational is great along with facts. We've had enough of the fear, loathing, party line voting, and pick pockets like Barney the pot smoking dino, Dodd, Keith X, Princess P..... And Barry!

John, Have you ever tried to Google search Keith Hakim, Keith Muhammed, Keith X, and Hakim Ellison to try and find the record of our radar defying "Congressman from CAIR"? He uses other names, but who knows them all? How is it polite to dismiss relevant facts, and replace them with your opinions, or put up diversions from the pursuit of a solution? You say there is no Mn problem with voter fraud, others say it's a national problem,and Mn is not immune. You say voters will be disenfranchised, but when offered a solution to your concerns you seem both dismissive and derisive. I wonder what names Comrade Keith might have registered to vote under? Are you checking?

Kevin, since we seem just maybe to have a rational discussion going on another article on this site, let me try again here. Show us please any real, not imaginary, instance of voter fraud in Minnesota along with how the proposed Minnesota voter ID amendment would in anyway have any impact on a voting in Minnesota other than to suppress the vote in those communities of voters who tend to support liberal candidates. The fact is you can't do it. Instead you resort to the thinly veiled anti Muslim rhetoric exhibited above. Since, I believe, you likely are a devout Roman Catholic, perhaps you should take a break here and reflect on the broader range of Catholic teachings, especially those that deal with Social Action and Social Justice. Namaste.

@ Mike, I don't see any name calling. Barney grows weed on his property, claims he doesn't know. Barry is his birth name, Keith X gave that one to himself, and If you refer to wasting space it was merely a reference to his wasting time comment.

@ John, we have. You have been dismissive. Your idea of real is subject to the fact it has not gone through the court process yet. I'd bet you are union, maybe volunteered for Keith X himself.