POLL: Should You Know Which Homes Have Guns?
An article-gone-viral by The Journal News in White Plains, NY has sparked debate about whether gun permits should be public records.
Do you want to know where lawful gun owners live in your neighborhood? Should this information not only be public but publicized?
Take our poll and leave a comment below.
"Overkill?" asks The Daily Beast, writing about the publication by The Journal News on Dec. 22 of gun permit holders across three counties in New York state. The database article on LoHud.com includes a map with dots for each household licensed to own a handgun—pistols and revolvers.
The map has gone viral, having been widely tweeted and liked on Facebook almost 28,000 times as of Dec. 26.
Record Gun Permit Applications in Anoka County
You're unlikely to see the same kind of map for Fridley, Anoka County or Minnesota. "In Minnesota, addresses of permit holders is private data and not available without a court order," explained Cmdr. Paul Sommer of the Anoka County Sheriff's Office by email Wednesday.
That's not to say there's not a lot of local activity.
Anoka County has seen record numbers of applications for gun permits since the shooting in Newtown, CT that left 20 school children and eight adults dead, including the shooter.
And Fridley gun dealer Trail's End told Patch business has been so brisk it's like a "feeding frenzy."
Minnesotans held 91,221 permits to carry guns as of Dec. 31, 2011, according to MinnPost.
Playdate Dilemma
Some parents, in the wake of the Newtown school shootings, have expressed their desire to know which homes their kids might be playing in have potentially lethal weapons in them.
One woman wrote on Tarrytown-Sleepy Hollow Patch’s Facebook page: “I just watched on the news: 38 percent of the people in America have a gun in their houses. Should we ask about this when our children go to a playdate?”
In Minneapolis earlier this month, a four-year-old boy shot and killed his two-year-old brother when they found a loaded gun hidden in a bed.
Privacy Violated?
This is the second time the newspaper and website has published database reporting on gun ownership. The release of the info online this year has some gun advocates worried for their safety and complaining of their privacy infringement, according to the Daily Beast.
The information was obtained by filing Freedom of Information requests.
The Journal News management stands behind its decision. "We knew publication of the database would be controversial, but we felt sharing as much information as we could about gun ownership in our area was important in the aftermath of the Newtown shootings," CynDee Royle, editor and vice president/news of The Journal News, said to the Daily Beast.
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Other Maps, Data
Fridley Patch makes frequent use of interactive maps, to plot everything from cases of cancer to holiday lights.
With other local data, such as who has made campaign donations, we've listed information without a map.
Do you think gun-permit-holders' information should be made public, and publicized? Take our poll.
Oh Perfect One
4:25 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
If having a gun is supposed to be a deterrent, then the only way it can be a deterrent is for everyone to know that this person has access to a gun.
Rick
1:01 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
Ummm, no. The deterrent is people NOT knowing if another person is either carrying a gun or if the household has one. Home invasion burglaries have skyrocketed in Britain since they imposed more stringent gun bans in that country. Now, only the criminals have guns and do not fear a homeowner shooting them when they break in.
Juan Quixote
4:37 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Sure... let's make public who legally owns guns. Oh....and ALSO who illegally has one (as they are the problem people). AND...while we're at it, let's list names and addresses of all the mental health people (hey--they are the ones causing the recent troubles). There...now we solved all the problem. Easy-peasy. Yah...sure.....
Minda R
4:51 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Invasion of privacy!!
Dan Dudley
4:53 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Yeah let’s make a shopping list for a criminal, that’s a smart idea. One of the dumbest things I have heard.
Robert Levin
4:53 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
The Journal News, a Gannett Co. newspaper in publishing of this information shows deficient in of forethought and responsibility for two key reasons. The first one is a person’s right to privacy but more importantly they are now targets for both the media and criminals.
Bob J
4:55 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Another idiotic knee jerk reaction that punishes good people who follow the law. This is COMPLETELY different from posting information about sex offenders or other law breakers.
Juan
5:02 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
A publicly available, easily accessible list of people that follow the law will do zero to stop people that don't.
Let's see, I hereby decree that everyone's public records are fully searchable and available for publication or download. Let's follow that edict and see where it takes us.
desertj76
5:27 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
I absolutely wan't to know who owns guns in my neighborhood. It is the only way I can keep my children safe from the people the NRA are protecting. .
Carbon Bigfuut
12:33 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
You should put up a big sign in front of your house "There are no guns in this home". Then see how long it takes before you get robbed.
Rick
1:19 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
Those guns are protecting your freedom to write openly, the same freedoms the press uses and abuses on a minute by minute basis. The same freedoms that Senator Feinstein relies on everyday as she takes runs at a perfectly legal industry.
It simply baffles me the absolute total, sheer ignorance of the populace in this country when it comes to history. One of the first things a dictator will do when subjugating a country is disarm the public. Look at Hitler. Look at Marcos prior to his declaring Martial Law. Look at Chavez. Castro. Look at the hesitantcy of Axis military leaders about invading the United States during WWII. Maybe check back to the Revolutionary War and see if we ran the British out throwing mudcakes at them.
Are there gun owners out there that should not possess them? Absolutely. Most of that group are criminals. There are also drivers, pilots, cops, doctors etc who shouldn't be in their profession either.
Don't delude yourself that a tyrannical gvmt cannot gain a hold in this country. It's not a free press that prevents that folks, it's gun ownership, period.
Hugh Jalias
5:29 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Invasion of privacy. Plain and simple. Why do people pick on law abiding citizens?
Shall we make and publish a list of people with valuable jewlery in their homes as well? Or publish a list of people with those scary and deadly assult cars that go faster than the the speed limit and kill tens of thousands each year? Better yet, let's publish a list of homes where viewers of online porn live. That oughtta shut a lot of people up.
Marissa Partridge
6:11 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
This is an affront to decency and the 4th Amendment which gives us the right to privacy. What this newspaper did is try to intimidate law abiding citizens who own fire arms because some on their staff are enemies of the 2nd Amendment and are trying to overturn this inalienable right.
If you don't want to have a gun in your possession, that is your choice. Just like it should be the choice of your neighbor to legally possess a gun. However, it is not fine to disregard the privacy of your neighbors and try to shame them by posting their business along with their addresses. It is a great point that these law abiding citizens have now been penalized for the actions of criminals and also makes them targets of criminals. I think this is why so many people are very wary of registries. First registries, then confiscation.
Finally, to the poster above who is concerned about keeping her children safe, how have you not had this conversation with your neighbors? I cannot believe that you are so irresponsible! You let your children go over to others homes that you barely even know? It is your responsibility to ask your neighbors if they own firearms and if they are locked away. Just the same as it is your responsibility to outline what your kids can and cannot watch on TV or any other issue you are concerned about! The newspaper should not be doing these things for you. You are accountable for your children. Get a clue.
Amy V
6:37 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
everyone who is NOT on that published list is now in greater danger if an armed robbery than they were the day before. Now the criminals know who is not armed.
Joe Thornton
8:55 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Astounding how far we have moved away from this nation's founding principles of freedom and individual rights. It's nobody's business what I do or don't have in my house (or concealed within my clothing, for that matter). This would be akin to disclosing medical records, income or other PRIVATE information.
Trisha C.
11:11 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Publicizing whether your neighbor practices their 2nd amendment right to bare arms is not only personally offensive but should have legal ramifications! The people responsible for such disgusting abuse of their " right to information " should be publicly identified and legally prosecuted! I like what Amy V. had to say about OUR individual responsibility as parents. Seriously! It amazes me how we as a society have access to all this information, all these examples of what NOT to do to help us be the wiser and yet so many people lack common decency and sense.
Trisha C.
11:16 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Correction: what marissa partridge said about our responsibility as parents.
Betty Christensen
7:37 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Sure, just tell the thieves which homes to break in and steal from. The real criminals would do it to steal the guns. Other criminals would break in because you aren't armed. keep them guessing. I want my privacy. I don't care if my neighbor is armed or not.
matt
2:34 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Some you....desert..ahem ahem....are completely insane....I own guns...am an honest law abiding citizen as well as a father of 2....not to mention a trained Army veteran.....you would be lucky to be my neighbor
Rick
1:36 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
This article doesn't flow well. Some stats above that were just thrown out there looks to be a "red meat to the wolves" comment, so I shall straighten things out.
"Record Gun Permit Applications in Anoka County."
Gun permits are issued by city or municipality. Those permits are issued after an extensive background check has been completed through local state and the FBI/Federal databases. They take on average two weeks to complete. You CANNOT legally purchase a firearm without this license. It is good for one year from date of issue."Minnesotans held 91,221 permits to carry guns as of Dec. 31, 2011."
Permit to carry. These are licenses held by individuals who have accomplished the same background check listed above and have also completed a state approved Conceal and Carry class. This permit costs a maximum of $100 but can be less in the county of which the application has been filed. This permit is good for 5 years and also allows the person to legally purchase a firearm anywhere in the State of Minnesota.
Conceal and Carry does NOT mean a licensed person must conceal the weapon. The person may also "open carry" i.e. on the hip, but must be holstered. Personally, I think open carry is pointless. The whole premise behind carrying is for a possible assailant to not know his/her target is armed.
Rick
1:39 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
Additionally, backlot/gun show sales are a myth. Those sales are no different than buying a gun on a street corner, which simply is illegal and the purchaser is crazy for doing so. Unfortunately, gun shows, where sales are regulated in the same fashion as a federally licensed (FFL) firearms store have become the bogeyman. Never purchase a firearm from someone you don't know, and me personally, I would take the gun to an FFL dealer and have the serial number checked. While I am not someone who 100% believes in gun registration, I'm not too bothered by it either. This will be a very bad day for the country when jack booted thugs start kicking in doors confiscating firearms.