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Is Fridley Company the Future of Transit or 'Moribund'?

Taxi 2000 has a Skyweb Express prototype but has yet to sell a personal rapid transit system.

 

In a nondescript office park off Fridley’s University Avenue, you can walk through the door of the business with the sci-fi name “Taxi 2000,” make your way past the front-office suites and empty cubicles and find yourself in an expansive warehouse home to the prototype of the “Skyweb Express,” a sleek, modish, roughly hemispherical pod of red metal and tinted glass that can be propelled by linear induction motor along a 60-foot length of guide-rail.

If you ask Mike Lester, Taxi 2000’s CEO and sole employee, he’ll tell you that the Skyweb Express and other Personal Rapid Transit (PRT) systems are a proven and implementation-ready solution to the question of urban public transit. The pods, Lester says, are capable of moving and merging at speeds as fast as 70 miles per hour and transporting as many as 320,000 people in a two-hour period along a personalized route—all for a cost of $16 million–$20 million a mile, a fraction of the cost of light-rail lines.

[see VIDEO: Fridley Company's Concept—Personal Transit Pods]

But PRT has vocal and skeptical opponents who point to a long and rocky history and the lack of successful large-scale implementation; personal transportation pod projects have been discussed since the early 1950s but apart from a few small systems—Lester mentions 1975’s five-station West Virginia University system and Heathrow Airport’s three-station network—PRT has not gained much global traction.

An untested system

Ken Avidor is a local artist and environmentalist who has been an anti-PRT activist since 2003, when he attended a transportation conference at Macalester College, where he encountered a proponent who, he said with a laugh, "threw Taxi 2000 brochures at everyone." 

Avidor has since started a blog where he collects “pod flops and fiascos” and become an unofficial anti-PRT spokesman, speaking with legislators and the media.

In a chapter titled “Bachmann’s Pod People” in his recently published screed against the Minnesota congresswoman, “The Madness of Michele Bachmann,” Avidor and his co-authors, Karl Bremer and Eva Young, write that Bachmann’s bill in support of Personal Rapid Transit is “perhaps [her] most bizarre and least reported legislative endeavor.”

Avidor said he believes that legislators' support for what he calls a futuristic, impractical mass transit panacea allows them to dismiss existing systems such as light-rail and buses.

“In my opinion what the Personal Rapid Transit people are doing is dishonest: They’re saying to people that we should be delaying investment in transit today because there’s something better tomorrow,” Avidor said. “There are anti-traffic groups that are very upfront and say they think that highways are better, others have that agenda that we should be using cars, we should be burning oil, we should be widening highways—that’s at least honest that they’re saying that.”

State Sen. Scott Dibble (DFL-Minneapolis), who heads the senate’s transit subcommittee, said that he thinks the proponents of PRT are sincere, but he dismissed their plans for implementation as that of “technophiles” who are not interested in examining the ramifications of a PRT line in terms of the overall multi-modal scheme, land use, economic development, mobility, urban form and the environment.

“There’s this constant refrain, ‘Build PRT everywhere, all your problems will be solved,’ with no acknowledgement that it is a political impossibility and that we would be throwing a bunch of money at something that’s completely unproven with a lot if implications that haven’t been addressed,” Dibble said. “All I ever here from folks is personal-freedom rhetoric about going anywhere and everywhere, but what happens to the urban forest if you’re running these things all over the place.”

Several legislative supporters of PRT, including Sen. Gen Olson and Lt. Gov. Yvonne Prettner Solon, declined to be interviewed for this story.

Lester, the Taxi 2000 CEO, disputed the PRT’s critics’ claims and said that the company has its “base engineering issues worked out” and that the resistance to PRT is to be expected for innovative breakthroughs.

“Early adoption technologies are always difficult, whether that’s the fax machine or the pager,” he said.

Financial issues

Taxi 2000 was incorporated in 1983. The company has yet to sell any systems, instead earning revenue from private investors and from feasibility studies funded by cities around the globe.

“We haven’t deployed any systems anywhere in the world,” Lester said, “But, as we move forward, our target clients are anybody who would use a transportation circulation system in a downtown metropolitan area so you can take light-rail or a bus into the city.”

Lester said that while he would not disclose financial information about Taxi 2000 since it is a private company, his investors have taken a long-term interest in the company.

“This is your standard legacy investment. It’s not your quick turnaround,” he said.

A 2002 Taxi 2000 business report (see PDF) predicted a return on investors’ money by the end of the decade.

"After the first few installations have had several years of operating experience, which can be expected to occur in about six or seven years, explosive growth in deployments can be expected until the market saturates," the report stated.

Michael Andregg, a geneticist who teaches at the University of St. Thomas, was an early investor in Taxi 2000.

“I didn’t put money into it as an investment,” he said. “I put money into it as an investment into a visionary company.”

Andregg is still hopeful about the future of PRT, but since Taxi 2000’s founder, J. Edward Anderson, left in 2005 and the company’s new leadership sued him for retaining proprietary information, Andregg said he has seen minimal efforts on the part of the company to reach out to shareholders and he considers the company’s promise to be lost.

“They exist but they’re kind of moribund in Fridley,” he said. “I don’t pay any attention to Taxi 2000.”

Taxi 2000 had as many as 14 employees during its design phase, but now Lester is the only full-time staff member.

“This is a company that’s been around for a while and it’s not produced a single pod system anywhere,” Avidor said. “How do they produce a profit?”

Related Topics: Mike Lester, Personal Rapid Transit, Skyweb Express, and Taxi 2000

WiselinePRT

12:14 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011

The year Bachmann authored a PRT bill, she was one of 5 Republicans and 13 Democrats to do so. Ask Ken Avidor why he only ever mentions Bachmann.

The answer to Sen. Dibble's concern about urban forest (and financial feasibility) is obvious: plan and implement PRT by public transit agencies, so PRT meets real needs. No transit technology is a panacea, and the visions of Taxi 2000 should be taken as such.

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Peter Muller

2:09 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011

The simple facts are that PRT is not a solution to all transportation problems and that other companies are making strides in PRT deployment: 2getthere has a 15 vehicle system that has been in operation for over a year. Ultra has had 21 vehicle system in operation since April, 2011. Vectus is building a 40 vehicle system. Ultra-Fairwood is building a 250 vehicle system and has a 1,500 vehicle system under deisgn. All of these systems operate in conjunction with other transportation systems.

Learn more about PRT (pictures, videos, links, etc.) at www.prtconsulting.com

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Jane Snape

2:37 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011

"Wiseline" knows full well that since Ken Avidor's a co-author of the Dump Bachmann blog, his focus is of necessity on Bachmann. But apparently since Wiseline couldn't actually debunk or disprove a single thing Avidor said, Wiseline must resort to non-sequiturs and distractions instead of an actual, reasoned argument backed up by evidence.

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Roy Reynolds

3:52 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011

There's more about PRT (pictures, videos, links) at www.prtstrategies.com.

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WiselinePRT

1:19 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011

Well, thanks for your lovely comments, "Jane Snape"! But my comments were exactly relevant and specific.

Avidor does what a lot of us are doing -- making fun of the stupid and dangerous things Bachmann says and does, and I salute him for it. But when Avidor gives Bachmann's past support as reason to oppose PRT, he's doing so with full knowledge that Democrats were the majority of PRT's supporters, 13 DFL to 5 GOP.

Avidor also wants readers to fear the expansive visions of some PRT companies and backers (basically, there is a small but noisy segment that mistakenly thinks transit can be privatized. IN FACT, one of them has spammed this comment thread).

Avidor wants you to think those visions represent all PRT companies and advocates. But they don't. The PRT companies enjoying success (none of them American) are working with government to offer PRT as intermodal, niche solutions (not in the US, but in places like the UK, Sweden, India and South Korea).

Avidor forgets (or ignores) that PRT companies and advocates will NOT decide where and how to build PRT, government transit planners will do that, and they work for you and me. Government is not going to be tricked into buying a system that doesn't work, or that the public doesn't need or can't afford. The way transit projects are planned, approved and funded in the US basically makes that impossible.

Any other observations, "Jane"?

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Robert

9:30 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011

Mr Lester is clueless. He says, "resistance to PRT is to be expected for innovative breakthroughs,." but ignores the fact that strong resistance is sustained against the vast majority of stupid ideas. In reality, the Taxi2000 PRT system is simply one of those stupid ideas. Another reality is that many revolutionary ideas have been implemented and embraced in the course of history. The reason Taxi2000 has not even been sold once since 1983 is because it is useless. I wouldn't want a penny of my tax money wasted on it.

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Fred

10:30 pm on Saturday, December 24, 2011

This is a pretty pointless article. I guess it's only value is local. PRT is a technology. It doesn't care if it's public or private, it doesn't care about Bachman or Avidor or Taxi 2000 / Skyweb Express. If there's no value it wouldn't be running right now at Heathrow airport. There are many companies pursuing it, and a number of current and future implementations. Perhaps it will grow, perhaps it wont, but this article will have no impact, nor is it even really useful either way. It's past the time for pointless debate. Avidor lost, PRT is being built.

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